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Im kinda confused now...

Journal Entry: Sat Oct 30, 2010, 1:38 PM


So...you all know im trying to get a realistic style, right? and in the process i've come across some really helpfull tutorials about how to paint skin and make it like "translucid" so to speak, cause skin has this weird colours i just really cant achieve right now that im sooo limited and stupid.

anyway...i just noticed MANY of the artists i admire and aspire to be as god as, use references...but...like just buying stock to PAINT over it....is this allowed? i got a bit dissapointed cause...you see, im trying to get there on my way...sure i use references, but i allways do EVERYTHING from scratch, lineart, colours, textures...EVERYTHING is from scratch, i might "copy" poses sometimes cause i find em perfectly adecuate to what i want to do and it helps me study if i "copy the process" (ie. skin color, shadows, stuff...everything legal), but i never TRACE or paint over...and i just find out they actually do paint over...yeah, they like buy their stock...but thats why it looks so amazing an realistic, because it is actually a photomanipulation, not an illustration....:/ and they say it is an illustration...cheating much? im ok if they say its a manipulation, AWESOME but when you say its an illustration...then i have a problem with it.

how do you feel about it??  im sure i can achieve realism without painting over, so...i'll continue my path lol, even if it takes me years to get there.

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:iconbewareofmad:
yeah, tracing is allowed unfortunately, I don't mind painting over a pose when someone is a beginner, but the skin is too much
it's good to just take color swatches from a photo and use them, normal thing, but not dot to dot tracing
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:icondeviously-nina:
~deviously-nina Oct 31, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree. If someone has basically made a photomanip, they shouldn't call it a painting, it's something of an insult to the artists who spend a lot more time and effort making real paintings and it can confuse or fool the people who can't see the difference.
In my opinion it's okay to use references for poses and such, that's what they're for after all... But they should act as a guide.
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~JorgeMarquez Oct 31, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
pues yo creo que el arte se trata mas de expresarte y hacer lo que te gusta que de como lo hagas, pero si creo que deberían ser honestos sobre su técnica, si fotomanipulan no deberían sentirse avergonzados por ellos, es solo una forma más de alcanzar el objetivo.
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*irenukia Oct 30, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Estoy de acuerdo :/ La verdad me ha molestado descubrir que muchos artistas que decían hacer ilustración aquí en dA, en realidad estaban haciendo fotomanipulación. Que entiendo que la fotomanipulación también requiere su tiempo y dedicación pero NO es lo mismo que pintarlo todo ni de lejos :V

Me alegra saber que tu sí lo pintas todo y esperando que sigas así ;D
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~yashima Oct 30, 2010  Student Digital Artist
I agreed with you. I don't suggest that anyone should achieve realism by painting over a photo. There is a reason why we do have life drawing classes in College or any other places such as Institutes. It can get frustrated as ever, but I do believe over time, your art will improve. We adapt to it, take your time. I'm sure you can achieve a realism effect without painting over a photo. There's no need for it. I guess there's a good and bad in technology improvement. Don't let that discourage you :)
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:iconcetriya:
its why I dont care for photo realistic styles. the only artist I know that paints from scratch is :iconadonihs: others will still look illustrated and painterly and I like that.

I think they call it 'matte painting'. I don't mind for concept work since you have to do so many 'paintings' in short time, but I dont like it being passed off as 'paintings' since its just taking pictures and manipulating them.

try studying older artists? before the internet? I think there is still a few traditional fantasy artists that still paint with oils
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:iconsilvertide:
Two copies of the same journals lol. Crazy internet!
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:iconfusuichikaku:
=fusuichikaku Oct 30, 2010   Digital Artist
I agree with you. If you paint over a photo, that's a manipulation. But I'm just confused because I thought most realism painters don't do that. I thought that they do paint from scratch. But I suppose you can't always tell who does it and who doesn't......I think people can achieve realism without painting over, so I believe you can too. Good luck ^_^
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