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Im kinda confused now...

Journal Entry: Sat Oct 30, 2010, 1:38 PM


So...you all know im trying to get a realistic style, right? and in the process i've come across some really helpfull tutorials about how to paint skin and make it like "translucid" so to speak, cause skin has this weird colours i just really cant achieve right now that im sooo limited and stupid.

anyway...i just noticed MANY of the artists i admire and aspire to be as god as, use references...but...like just buying stock to PAINT over it....is this allowed? i got a bit dissapointed cause...you see, im trying to get there on my way...sure i use references, but i allways do EVERYTHING from scratch, lineart, colours, textures...EVERYTHING is from scratch, i might "copy" poses sometimes cause i find em perfectly adecuate to what i want to do and it helps me study if i "copy the process" (ie. skin color, shadows, stuff...everything legal), but i never TRACE or paint over...and i just find out they actually do paint over...yeah, they like buy their stock...but thats why it looks so amazing an realistic, because it is actually a photomanipulation, not an illustration....:/ and they say it is an illustration...cheating much? im ok if they say its a manipulation, AWESOME but when you say its an illustration...then i have a problem with it.

how do you feel about it??  im sure i can achieve realism without painting over, so...i'll continue my path lol, even if it takes me years to get there.

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~sketchugo Jan 15, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Siento lo mismo que tu acerca de varios artistas que yo admiraba, y pienso también que para considerar una ilustración como tal, dicho arte debe venir de los propios dedos, cabeza y habilidad para observar, no de tu habilidad para calcar o para hacer un 'copy-paste' en tu ordenador. A mi me está costando muchísimo trabajo aprender a colorear de una manera adecuada en el medio digital, pero a mi en lo personal me gusta aprenderlo por medio de observación, experimentación y ensayo-error, evitando de cualquier modo 'engañar' de alguna forma a la gente que mira mi arte, y, dentro de cierta medida, a mi mismo.

Tienes una excelente galería por cierto, vas directo a mi 'watchlist'. Y recuerda que en el arte nada es imposible, y la práctica supera por mucho al talento. Adiós y... ¡VIVA MÉXICO! ;)
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=skillustrate Jan 8, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Reading that makes me feel better about my art. In more ways than one.

The way you feel upon learning of that is somewhat how I felt when I learned what a matte painting was. But there's actually a 'legit' purpose for those; there are certain scenes cameras just can't catch without spending an overly ridiculous amount of money for the shot.

But painting over a picture and calling it your pride and joy? Haha, and here I was feeling bad about myself for starting out as a pose tracer back in the day.
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*vilhelmina Jan 4, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I agree with you! It takes away from the magic when they don't simply tell the truth. I mean, of course it's still a beautiful art piece, but I still want to know how it was made so I can look at it accordingly.

Besides your art is already gorgeous! I was just looking at your latest WIP and was so awed by it because it's so much like what I want to do too! Ghh, must get better. 8D

(I may actually have to start using references, just to look at them ~ I don't at all now so a lot of what I do is guess work / based of my loosely memorized anatomy studies from medical school haha).
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*TiffanySketches Jan 3, 2011  Professional Interface Designer
Depends on the situation, for commercial work when you need stuff done in a couple hours, yes. But if it's your personal art, its only shooting yourself in the foot and not allowing you to grow as an artist. :D
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~Whes Dec 22, 2010  Student Writer
Oh, this is such a difficult question. DX Obviously, yes, it seems that anyone who paints over photos is cheating. That's not how art is supposed to be. That's not how the great artists of history did it. Art should rely more on skill than technology.

BUT.

On the other hand, I myself struggle very often with questions just like this. It's actually quite paralyzing to me, wondering what is and isn't "allowed" in art. I remember very distinctly, way back when I was in fourth grade, we were having art, and I drew a picture of a horse. After I was done, I was generously complimented by the teacher and my classmates for drawing the horse so well, but I felt that I'd cheated completely because I looked at a picture of a horse hanging on the wall and used that to inspire my own drawing.

And how ridiculous, you might say, and I would have to agree, for an artist to feel that using life photos as reference would be cheating, especially when the drawn picture looks nothing like the reference in the end. But back then, I didn't understand that. I thought that art was only allowed to come out of your own head. You weren't allowed to look at anything or copy anyone--everything had be drawn 100% from imagination.

And this irrational belief has always stuck with me and still lingers in various forms today, to the point that I'm honestly afraid to draw things for fear that such-and-such is not "allowed". It can be something as simple as a type of brush stroke I'm not allowed to make, a type of subject I'm not allowed to portray, to a type of style I'm not allowed to use or an entire concept I'm not allowed to copy.

Like I said, it can be really paralyzing, and it keeps me from getting better in many, many cases.

So, while I agree that, yes, painting over photos is not ideal, we also shouldn't look down on it too harshly, because there are so many different kinds of artists and so many ways to make art that we just have to accept that all methods--provided they're truly legal and ethical--are really "allowed" to be used.

It goes both ways. I caution against restricting yourself to certain types of art-making based on too-strict ideals or beliefs, but I also caution against losing your ideals and beliefs merely for the sake of making realistic art. ^^;
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*KatePfeilschiefter Dec 22, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
That's fine with me as long as they do say it's a manipulation, but most professionals don't do that. The artists I admire are the ones who do it from scratch, and it's entirely possible to get realistic, even photo-realistic paintings without resorting to painting over photos.
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If a digital artist chooses to paint over a photograph, I actually don't mind, as long as he or she is honest about what technique was used. I don't even see it as "cheating." Lazy (or more efficient) perhaps. Matte-painting and paintovers take a different type of skill than painting from scratch. Usually artists who do it are on a deadline. Mention in the description that X was a paintover, or answer the question honestly when asked. Then I see no problem. I just don't appreciate it when artists lie about their techniques. I think some people dislike paintovers because they find out later what they first admired was not what it appeared to be. Nobody likes being misled.

That being said, I really do appreciate realistic digital paintings that are done 100% from scratch. It takes a lot of time and skill. I'm glad to see you're taking the long route, your work is gorgeous.
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~Eniun Nov 18, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No voy a hacer un coment largo... Espero que no lo hayas visto antes XD y tmb espero te sirvan.

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Tú puedes hacerlo preciosa. Confió en tú talento ^-^
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=Gabbi Nov 10, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I personally feel that it's a bit like cheating >.< I saw a digital art tutorial in a magazine once, and the artist used different parts of photos to puzzle together a face (eyes from one photo, a nose from another photo etc), and then draw on it.
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References are okay! I use them too! But drawing directly on a photo just feels wrong to me.
I really really respect artists like you who makes all from scratch! :heart:
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:icondark-razvan:
I hear ya buddy, and I actually felt a bit disapointed when I found it out, specially with one of those realism goddess out there, (Linda), not sure if that's true , however I know many other realistic painters also do paintovers, butthe more I study, the more I find out that the best way to achieve realism is to have a keen eye and keep practicing and studying real life, since photos wont help that much, being that colours aren't as nice as they are in real life.

I'm also on my way to achieve realism, being that is the style I love the most, and I won't give up =)

Painters like Alma Tadema[link] , Gerome [link] , and of cpourse Bouguereau [link] , show us that you can achieve that life like paintings without cheating, and they're our best teachers, nothing like the old masters.

Keep up the good work my friend, cuz this journey it's simply full of joy.
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